Saturday, January 20, 2018

The Forum - Vol. 236 - Disobedience and Repeat Offenses



Disobedience is essentially a prideful power struggle against someone in authority over us. It can be a parent, a priesthood leader, a teacher, or ultimately God. A proud person hates the fact that someone is above him. He thinks this lowers his position. Ezra Taft Benson

Hello all.  Welcome back to The Forum.  Our weekly gathering of men and women who are in, or interested in being in, a Domestic Discipline or Female Led Relationship. I hope you all had a good week.

2018 is off to a, what is the right word -- self-contradictory -- start.  As I wrote the last couple of weeks, I have been in this mindset in which I want to let my bad boy run free a bit more than usual.  Yet, in some ways my behavior has actually been better than usual.  At the end of the year and spilling into 2018, we had one of those very indulgent vacations comprised mainly of lounging around, eating too much and drinking too much.  But, I had decided to that once we got back to reality, I was going to try to really reset things where physical health was concerned.  So, I went on a fairly strict diet regimen.  Sort of "paleo lite."  I eliminated pretty much all bread and grain products other than a very little rice on a couple of vacations, all processed foods, and anything with added sugar.  Basically, I ate meat, fish and vegetables.  And, the really biggie -- no alcohol.  I set a goal of not having a single alcoholic beverage for two weeks.  Miraculously, I made it.  And, I lost a hell of a lot of weight, proportionally, in that two-week period.  Enough so that I was planning to maintain it for another week and maybe two.

You know what's coming, right?  Yep, right after I made the inner goal of continuing on that healthy trajectory, I fell off the wagon resoundingly and dramatically.  A work dinner turned into too much wine, followed by someone in the crew wanting to have just one more . . . culminating in rolling in at 2:00 am.  That led to a thoroughly unproductive Friday.  But, in all honesty, that hardly distinguishes it from most of the rest of the week, since I am just really struggling with committing to being productive at work right now.

Two things made the drinking incident doubly disappointing.  First, she had given me a really hard spanking just the night before.  It had been sort of a general "catch up" for bad behavior and for disobeying an order from her at a holiday party back in December.  Second, this latest incident also involved disobedience, because as dinner was starting she sent me a text telling me I was to have no more than two drinks.  The funny thing is, I don't recall making any conscious decision to disobey her. Instead, I had one glass of wine.  Then, the waiter refilled that one and I drank that. Then, I promptly forgot all about her command.  The result is I am in for at least one spanking this weekend, on top of a bottom that is still sore from the last one.

So, how are repeat offenses and disobedience handled in your household?  Although I am dreading the spanking I have coming, intellectually and as an advocate for Domestic Discipline and FLR lifestyles, I feel like disobedience needs to be in a separate category of offenses and should be treated especially seriously, because it potentially undermines the entire premise of the relationship.  It's not just another kind of bad behavior but, rather, violates the whole agreed-upon chain of command.  Thus, it should be dealt with especially severely.  Is that the case in your household?  Does disobedience carry with it some extra-special consequences?  Additional spankings? Harder spankings?  Punishment entirely different from a spanking?  Tell us all about it.

I hope you all have a great week.

Saturday, January 13, 2018

The Forum - Vol. 235 - DD's Impact on Female Sexuality

Strong women intimidate boys and excite men. -- unknown

Hello all.  Welcome back to The Forum, our weekly gathering of men and women who are in, or would like to be in, Domestic Discipline or Female Led Relationships.  I hope you all had a great week.

Personally, I am having a really, really hard time switching from holiday laziness to something resembling productive work.  I just don't feel very motivated to get back into the workaday grind.  Thankfully,  MLK Day here in the U.S. came along and gave me another slight reprieve.  I hope you all enjoy yours as well. 

As I talked about last week, I've been in a bit of a "bad boy" kind of mood.  A little more focused on fun and games than I was in 2017.  In fact, it's a bit of a departure from my usual mindset.  I tend to be fairly intense by nature, and I'm sure my attraction to DD is related to that intensity in some way.  As with the rest of my life, I gravitate toward an intense form of accountability and seem to need more intense and rigorous consequences.  Now, I'm probably not going to get very far in any effort to change that, because it just is who I am.  But, what I think I can aspire to is a bit more of a "work hard, play hard" variation of intensity, with a little more emphasis on the "play" aspect that has been under-served the last few years.

So, what does all this have to do with today's topic?  Well, thinking about play seems to lead kind of naturally to thinking about sex. At least for those of us with a bent toward the kinkier things in life.  We've talked before about whether DD is inherently sexual or driven by a sexual desire, so let's not focus on that.  What I'd like to talk about instead is the extent to which Domestic Discipline has enhanced (or not) the quality of your sex life.

Even more particularly, has it increased the Disciplinary Wife's sexual confidence and aggressiveness?  Has taking over the role of keeping you inline and on track inevitably resulted in her taking charge more in the bedroom?

If so, how does that manifest itself?  Does she take more physical control?  Does her attitude and demeanor in bed reflect a greater level of aggression, control or dominance?

And, if she hasn't taken things in that direction, do you want her to?

I've been thinking about these things not only because of this general stirring of my inner "bad boy," but because after years of doing DD, my wife does seem to be getting more sexually aggressive as a result of her increased focus on FLR.  It's subtle, but she is initiating sex more often. Not just initiating, but commanding.  Earlier this week, she sent me a text simply telling me that we were going to be having sex that night so I needed to make sure I wrapped up all work and other activities by 9:00.  In bed, she also seems increasingly prone to taking over, grabbing my hair, twisting nipples, etc.  It's a pretty exciting development, and I've told her I hope she keeps exploring her sexuality in these ways.

So, tell us how Domestic Discipline has impacted your sex life, or how you would like it to. Wives, I would love to hear more from you on this topic in particular.

Have a great week.

Saturday, January 6, 2018

The Forum - Vol. 234 - Manliness, Tears, and Trolls


Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist. - Pablo Picasso

Hi all.  I hope you had a good week, and a great holiday season.  I admit, I am very sorry to see it go.  I was back at work the last couple of days but accomplished almost nothing.  I think I was in a state of denial about actually needing to get back in a productive mode and just wasn't quite ready to do it.

My lack of motivation at work also seems to apply to blogging, as I can't say I have any scintillating topic in mind for today.  So, I may just ramble a little.  I'll lead off by talking about trolls and spammers.  I felt like they were kind of the bane of my blogging existence last year, though they can also be a fine source of entertainment if you don't take them seriously.  A few months ago, my blog somehow got on the radar of some prolific spammer(s).  I don't know enough about the spam business model to know why they post random comments on blogs like mine.  I suspect they do it to probe whether comments are enabled and, if so, they follow up with some commercial advertisement or link.  I'm also sure some of it is purely automated "bot" activity, with no real human engagement.  But, that in itself gets amusing sometimes, particularly if the bot is kind of stupid and the content drafted by someone who isn't very facile with the English language.  While a few of the spam comments I've been receiving are grammatically correct, most aren't and some are just plain weird.  For you Saturday enjoyment, here is a sampling of the spam I got in the last few weeks:

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Usually, either my last post of the year or first post of the new year is about resolutions, but as I said last week, this year I haven't really gotten around to making any.  And, the more I've thought about it, I think I'm going to keep it that way, at least in terms of "big picture" stuff.  I am, by nature, a goal-setter and a chronic maker of lists.  I usually have a formal set of goals for the year, particularly around job and career performance, but also covering more personal goals.  I have a pretty good track record, though far from perfect, of meeting the career and finance-related goals and aspirations.  All the others -- not so much.  And, I think there may be a connection between succeeding brilliantly in the former and failing fairly miserably in the latter.  I've been in that stage of life where providing for a family, building a retirement nest egg and similar economic-related goals were pretty important. But, we're now getting to that point in life where it is time to give some thought to what the next phase looks like, and I don't want to be one of those guys who lives to go into that same damn office every day until I die at my desk.  So, I really am more or less consciously foregoing setting career or money-related goals this year, trying to create some intellectual and emotional space to allow things to just happen.

I also can't say that we have many specific DD-related goals for 2018, though in that area there is a consensus that we both want "more," in the sense of the discussion we all had a few weeks ago.  More strictness.  More accountability.  A narrower set of boundaries on my personal behavior and more consistent consequences for treading outside those boundaries.  I think she is genuinely there with me on those goals, at least at a high level.  One indication of that is as follows. One goal I do have is probably shared by about 90% of the population this month -- getting back into better physical shape.  Last year was such a meat grinder from start to finish, I kind of let myself go.  I also had a couple of injuries that sidelined me from working out for significant periods of time.  So, I told her I want to put myself on a pretty strict regimen for at least the next two weeks, eliminating sugar and processed foods, most grains and bread and getting into the gym consistently.  But, Fridays are always a pretty significant challenge, because my whole team is into happy hours.  Thursday night, however, out of the blue she instructed me, "You are not to drink tomorrow."  She generally doesn't just issue orders like that, so it came as a bit of a surprise.  It was, indeed, kind of hard to leave work early and miss any afternoon festivities, but thanks to her order and my compliance with it, for once I woke up on a Saturday feeling sharp and generally energetic.

Which is really my goal with DD.  It's not really about general submission for me, and I don't think of myself as a "submissive" or aspire to be one.  For me, it's more about recognizing that I need rules and consequences, even if I hate them at the time.  Because, when I don't have someone imposing boundaries, things get out of hand.  But, craving that accountability doesn't mean I want to be reduced to a sheep or that I want to "reform" to the point that I'm not having any fun or that I become less "manly" in her eyes or in my own.  In fact, I seem to be going a bit in the other direction.  Without any conscious decision to do so, I've found myself gravitating toward more "manly" and "bad boy" things recently.  Watching a lot of "guy" movies over the holidays.  Listening to music with more manly, one even might say "juvenile" or puerile themes -- lots of AC/DC and newer "bro country" stuff with lots of pick-up trucks and beer drinking lyrics.  I wanted to read a bit a couple of nights ago and wasn't gravitating toward any of the new books on my Kindle, so I read some of Walt Whitman's "Song of Myself," a very manly poem celebrating earthiness and bodily pleasures.

So, I feel like my bad boy wants to come out and play a bit this year.  Yet, I also want and need her to rein me in if that becomes destructive to me or hurtful to her or others.  When looking for some of that bawdy music over the holidays, I found a song by The Pretenders called "Bad Boys Get Spanked."  I hadn't run across it before but love the opening lines:

You're not supposed to do that
You know you're not allowed to
But you seem to get some kind of kick
Out of doing what you're not allowed to
You deliberately defy the rules
'Cause the law's upheld by fools
Shit on that

Bad boys get spanked

That's the direction in which this year seems to be going -- I want to let the little boy run loose a little more and not take things as seriously as I did last year, but there will be consequences if the bad little boy pushes the boundaries a bit too far.  It also seems to be the case that she increasingly sees herself as the person setting those boundaries, such that instead of the two of us agreeing to behaviors that will be punished, she is likely to exercise more of her own discretion and "lay down the law."  We talked about this in terms of an excerpt from one of the few books on female dominance that I've found to be worth reading, called the Hesitant Mistress, which contains the following "Warning":

THIS book will teach your partner how to be more dominant. That means she will learn how to actually be more dominant, not just how to act like a dominatrix long enough for you to get your jollies off in the bedroom.

Your partner will learn how to say no to you. She will learn how to train you. She will learn how to punish you and hold you accountable for your actions. She will learn that she can demand whatever she wants from you, despite whatever you might want from her.

You have been warned.

That seems to be where things are heading for us, and right now I just want to kind of run with that and see where it takes us.

There was one exchange of comments over the holidays that I really enjoyed.  ZM crossed a major threshold that I still have not been able to get over, namely tears.  Here is the exchange between him and Alan:

ZM: “Yesterday, I got to experience a first, in that I was spanked to tears for the first time ever, at least as an adult. This has been a topic of endless (and perhaps morbid?) fascination for me, to say the least, and I really couldn't believe that it happened. The punishment was for several prolonged bouts of bad attitude. My wife has been under huge amounts of stress in recent months due to parental health issues, and as she was administering the punishment, I just felt so incredibly bad when I thought of how unhelpful my attitude has been, and how rather than supporting her I was making things more difficult. This guilt, combined with a delrin cane (which is basically just horrible), and in the diaper position (which makes everything so much worse), finally broke down that barrier that I have never really been able to cross before. I kind of have a feeling that once the dam has broken, it will probably be more easily breached in the future. Also, my wife is just getting incredibly good at this whole thing, plus she really enjoys it. She doesn't enjoy administering these real punishments at the time, but later as she reflects upon it, it leaves her pretty excited. Anyway, I guess the coming year promises to be most interesting!”

Alan: “Yes it happens more frequently after a "breakthrough". Having your wife encourage crying as mine does also helps. But it takes that combination of real regret ( shame , really) plus a punishment that just goes on and on until you just give in to it.

ZM: “Alan, Mine had pretty much decided beforehand that tears were going to happen, and she continued until they did. Afterwards she said she would have liked to go a bit longer, but it was hard to see me crying. She decided that next time, she go until she decides it has been enough and then will add a certain number of additional strokes, probably by rolling two dice (resulting in 2-12 additional) just to make sure she didn't under-punish and to give fate a bit of say in the matter.  I agree that it was mostly driven by guilt, combined with a non-relenting spanking. I don't think she punished harder than usual, but certainly longer, and plus she had said before that the next punishment would certainly result in tears, so I think she set the stage for it and that helped me to get into the proper state of mind. Anyway, the tears took it to a whole new level of "real" feeling for us.”

I hope I can have a similar exchange in 2018, yet it has alluded me for over a decade.  It may seem incongruous to say I want to give my inner male and/or my inner boy more room to roam this year, while also wanting to experience crying from an adult spanking, but I don't think they are really that inconsistent.  I want the boundaries that I lacked growing up, and I want her to help rein me in when I get out of control.  I want the upside of being mischievous and naughty, but I also want to really experience the emotions that happen when a bad boy gets really, really punished.  While I'm going to save crying and tears for a separate topic, in preparation for that, I've posted a poll on reader's experiences with them and desires for them.

Well, there you go.  I know it doesn't raise an actual topic, but maybe it gives folks something to react to.  Though the whole topic of manliness, bringing out the little boy and being punished like one, and whether that is consistent with the manly virtues our wives want in us most of time sets up a general theme.  I'm also kind of toying with the idea of adjusting the mix on the blog of concrete topic and "stream of consciousness" or "journaling" kind of content.  I still like the topical approach, but it is getting harder and harder to come up with things we haven't beat to death.


Have a great week!

Sunday, December 31, 2017

Happy New Year


Happy New Years Eve to all of you.  As longer-term readers know, I usually start each year with a long-ish entry on goal setting, how I performed over the last year, and identifying some concrete resolutions for the upcoming year.  As JGirl over at Taming of the Shrew blog says in her most recent post, this years primary goal is going to be something about balance.  In what I hope is a positive sign, I have absolutely no idea what specific resolutions I would put around that, as I've been too busy goofing off this week to come up with any, and I don't feel any particular need at this very moment to come up with a list of things I want to change, fix or improve.  Instead, I kind of feel like leaving things a little open to whatever happens.  As it inevitably will and instead of resisting it, I hope to allow for the possibility of being pleasantly surprised.  In fact, one reason I'm not spending a lot of time coming up with specific career and work goals for 2018, is I wouldn't mind being in something very different by year-end and so, while I want to continue to out-perform in my current role as long as it lasts, I don't want to be so focused on goals related to that role that I don't stay mentally and emotionally open to letting something entirely new take me in an entirely different direction.

I do hope 2018 brings a deepening of the Domestic Discipline aspects of my relationship with my wife and a stepping up in her confidence level and willingness to take control.  Being the goal-setter and list-maker I am at heart, I probably will spend some time in the next few days coming up with specific things I would like to see us do to help bring those goals about, but right now, I just don't feel like it.  So . . .

Goodbye 2017.  I hope each of you have a great very Happy New Year and a great 2018.

Saturday, December 23, 2017

Merry Christmas

Christmas is a season not of rejoicing but of reflection.  - Winston Churchill

Is it just me, or has 2017 seemed like a total meat grinder of a year?  Politics.  Hurricanes.  Politics that feel like a never-ending hurricane . . .

Even so, as I reflect on the year that is about to pass, I give thanks for a few simple things.  All my immediate family made it through the year in one piece, as did most of our extended family.  With one exception, most of our family and the important people in our lives are healthy.  None of our close friends or family suffered health or financial calamities.

I realize these are all low bars, and yet they aren't. I was reminded of that a few days ago, when I was having a few medical tests run (nothing serious -- it just kind of sucks getting old, though that's way better than the only other alternative).  After checking in, a nurse took me to an examination room, and left the door ajar.  As I was sitting there waiting for the doctor to come in, I overheard a conversation between two of the nurses.  One told the other that she was feeling emotional and had seen three patients that day who  had almost made her cry.  She said the last had been an old woman who was in bad health and was there to have some x-rays taken after a fall.  The old woman had told the nurse that she hoped she would die before the holidays were over and, in fact, really hoped she would pass that night.  She said that she was 89 years old, in chronic pain, and didn't have friends or family to take care of her.  In fact, she didn't even have anyone to take her home after her tests. As I listened, I had a hard time holding back my own tears, and the conversation stuck with me as I left, and is obviously still on my mind several days later.

So, as we all run around buying those last minute gifts, let's all think a little about what a blessing it is to have people in our lives to buy those gifts for.  And, maybe do something nice for a stranger who may not be as lucky. I remember last year around this time I pulled up to the drive-through window at Starbucks and started to pay for my coffee, only to be told that the woman in the car ahead of me had already paid for it.  I'm going to spend the next few days looking for opportunities to do little things like that.

We are going to be taking a vacation until after the New Year, and my current plan is not to post during that period, though I could get bored and change my mind.  In the meantime, I hope you all have a very Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year.




Saturday, December 16, 2017

The Forum - Vol. 233 - After Effects

"What we have here, is a failure to communicate." -  Cool Hand Luke

Hello all.  I hope you had a good week.  I can't say I accomplished a whole lot with mine.  It seems like pretty much everyone around me is as unmotivated as I am and just sort of shuffling our way slowly to the new year.  And, there is nothing wrong with that at all.  Usually at this time of year I am either overwhelmed with work to the point that I barely notice the holiday season and certainly don't have much time to enjoy it, or I am in a panic that I don't see much on my plate for the upcoming year and I make myself nuts looking out over the horizon and praying for the next big project to come in.  This year, I seem to be in this sweet spot where my group does have something of a workload, but a lot of the real work isn't expected to come raining down on us until well after Christmas.  It's nice.  Though, the season also presents a bad combination of plenty of opportunities to misbehave but limited opportunities for her to take me in hand.  I am, in fact, feeling a little worse for the wear this morning after attending a holiday party in the neighborhood.



I also committed a major DD faux pas.  The party was thrown by a couple we hang out with who are definitely not teetotalers.  The drinks were flowing freely, and I wasn't consuming at a faster pace than anyone else or getting out of hand. But, my wife decided I should be cut off, so she told me I had had enough.  I complied for a while, but 30 minutes or so later I poured myself another glass of wine.  So, on top of drinking enough to make myself feel less than spry this morning, I disobeyed a direct command.  I haven't faced the consequences of that yet, but they may prove to be significant.
We didn't have a deluge of comments on last week's topic, but I thought that some of what we did get led to some high quality discussions.  Which is always the goal.  I really liked this from ZM:

It is perhaps strange to think of DD punishments as being a communications tool, but at least for us that is exactly what they are. When she chooses to communicate to me in this unique way (which connects in the most power way with my deep-seated fantasies) it really gets through to me. And as the "conversation" rolls around in my head in the following days, since I simply can't stop thinking about it, I have noticed that it really has a positive effect on not only my behaviors and attitude, but also it changes some of my selfish and at times just plain wrong thinking patterns.

I didn't think of it that way when I first came across the concept of Domestic Discipline.  I thought of it mainly as a tool for correcting behavior.  However, over time I've come to believe that while it can serve that purpose effectively, the extent to which it actually does so is a function of a lot of factors, including not only the severity of the punishment but also its certainty.  Unfortunately, certainty is hard to achieve, because "real life" so often gets in the way.  Nevertheless, I've also come to believe that it has major benefits even if the underlying behavior is repeated, because it empowers the wife to express her dissatisfaction in a very tangible way.  It clears the air and, for at least a time, may produce real feelings of contrition.  In other words, it has that value that ZM identifies, i.e. a means of communication.

I also liked Anna's observation that there may be a self-reinforcing cycle in these relationships, such that Domestic Discipline is the initial focus and used to correct behavior, but as the wife gets more comfortable with exercising her authority and "communicating" via her paddle or strap, the relationship trends toward an FLR, and then the disciplinary aspect may increasingly involve spanking that obstinate male need for control right out of him.  That resonated with me, as it does reflect to some extent the arc of our relationship.



This week's topic comes from Glenmore, who sent me the following:

I just read your brief but effective account of your most recent spanking and it is pretty clear what the post spanking effects are on you , at least physically , but was interested at what the emotional , behavioural and other post spanking effects are on both the husband and wife.

For the husband , how does it feel to walk around for the next few days with a sore behind and visible marks left by your wife? Do you feel ashamed, perhaps proud, relieved and are you more likely to be better behaved and be more respectful of your wife? Do you feel a power shift in favour of your wife for a short time?

For the wives , do they feel satisfied, proud, more powerful or in charge?I notice my wife is more confident and assertive for a while after the spanking she has delivered. I wouldn't say she gloats about it but she does love to tease, commenting on any marks, or asking how sore my bottom is, etc. If I do something she doesn't like, she will drop comments like ,"Would you like more of what I gave you the other night?" or "There is lots more where that came from?"She also teases me if she finds me wincing or squirming when I sit afterwards.I'd be interested if this is common , or do other hubbies wives simply spank and forget as if it never happened.

I'll kick off the discussion.  I would say my most immediate reaction after a hard spanking is, perhaps not surprisingly, relief that it is over.  I also almost immediately feel significantly more calm, with my background level of anxiety dropping, which can last for several hours or even a few days.  While I'm sure some of that comes from a release of endorphins, I think it goes deeper than that.  I've talked before about the paradoxical sense of freedom that can come with an absence of choices. While I am a natural rule breaker, there is a certain comfort in knowing there is an aspect of my life that I do not get to control -- that she can and will take over and impose consequences on me when I fail to do the things I need to do in order to avoid bad consequences.  It makes me feel more secure in a weird way, knowing that there are lines she will not let me cross or at least that she will make me very sorry that I did.  I also feel an increased sense of respect and admiration for her.  While I was not an early spanko like most of you, I have always been attracted to strong and confident women, and the more strict my wife is with me, the more attracted I am to her.

From her perspective, she has told me she definitely does feel empowered, but she says a lot of that feeling arises not from the spanking itself but from ordering one, telling me to get ready, and watching me drape myself over the ottoman or the bed or the back of the couch, at her command.  She is a very visually-oriented person, and she says there is something very powerful for her in issuing the command to get into position and then watching me comply.  She will often follow up the next day, asking whether I'm having trouble sitting comfortably.  She will sometimes express disappointment if I am not well-marked the next day, sometimes commenting, "I guess I didn't do my job very well."  Unfortunately, I think that is just a fact of life at this stage, because I do not get bruised to the same extent I did when we were first exploring DD.  A hard paddling once was guaranteed to leave me with a bruised behind that would show for several days, but that is rare these days.

Now, the one she gave me last week did, in fact, leave some prominent marks on one cheek, and I almost outed myself as a result.  In fact, I don't know for sure that it stopped at "almost." I caught a cold last weekend and was feeling pretty miserable most of the week.  The day after my spanking, I went to the gym in the morning before work, which is my usual practice.  I was pretty careful when disrobing and getting dressed to make sure my well-marked butt was not on display.  I went to the gym the next morning as well, planning to hit the steam room to try and bake the virus out of my system.  By that day, the cold had settled in my sinuses, which I swear results in my IQ dropping by 20 points.  I was feeling pretty awful and my head was just not in the game.  I disrobed and wrapped myself in a towel and headed to the steam room -- and only then realized that I had not taken any precautions at all when getting undressed and donning my towel. There had been some period in which I had dropped by pants and was standing there naked before wrapping myself in the towel.  The locker room was not packed, but there definitely were a few people walking around.  I do not know for a fact that anyone saw my bruised behind, but I also don't know that they didn't.

Have a great week.

Saturday, December 9, 2017

The Forum - Vol. 232 - Where the Rubber Meets the Road


Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
Hi all.  Sorry for the delayed posting.  I woke up with a cold, but in the interests of full disclosure, I also had a very nasty hangover.  We had a holiday party last night, and a very merry time was had by all.  I'm finally feeling almost human again, so I decided to get off my lazy ass and do some posting.

I'm not quite sure how to characterize this week's topic, but it extends from a couple of comments on last week's by Bart and Alan.  Bart's comment was:

 
Dan, while we have been married many years and have been engaged in DD before we knew there was a name for this, the conflict between Sylvia and I regarding limits has been an ongoing challenge. While I recognize that initially the punishments were a result of my needs, she soon decided that spankings were effective and useful for her as well. Over the years there have be instances where I have objected to the reason she had given for a particular punishment, and also the severity. I have protested very vigorously to mouth soaping which I hate. In the end I have always submitted and the knowledge that she decides the extent of the punishment has as she posted changed my behavior. It’s not just cursing that brings out the Ivory soap it’s also mean or spiteful dialogue .she has threatened me with a spanking in front of her sister but that has never happened.

Alan replied:
That is really where the rubber hits the road, when she punishes consistently as to the behavior and she decides why it happens, when it happens and where it happens, and you realize you really can't stop it. Why was the hardest for me for a long time because I thought we had a clear understanding of what was punishable behavior. True at the theory level but not true at the interpretation level.Over the years I have been spanked many times when I sincerely believed I didn't deserve it.But ironically that is a big part of what makes it work and what I need.At some deep level we are unable to self discipline and so we turn that over to our wives. She decides and I obey and it works.


As I replied to Bart:   

This comment kind of cuts to the core of what I'm talking about when I draw a distinction between "real" DD versus BDSM with DD trappings. From what you say, you objected to the severity and sometimes the reason, but you acknowledge that the behavior changed. Similarly, you hate the mouth soaping, but it she wants to change the behavior, doesn't it require something that you are truly, genuinely adverse to?
Again, I'm not sure exactly how to label this topic, but something along the lines of, have you had that "where the rubber meets the road" moment Alan referred, to where the punishment became, for lack of a better word, "real," such that it became something you really, truly wanted to avoid?  As most of us who contribute here know, we have some weird attraction to this lifestyle, and most of us literally asked for it.  And, as the caption above says, we want a spanking (or other punishment) that is bad enough that we really do not want it.  Has she taken you to that point -- to the point where you genuinely do not want this thing that you put in motion?  And, has she hit the point Bart refers to, where she decides the disciplining you serves her needs as much or more than hers?

My wife and I have been doing this for a long time.  I don't recall exactly when we started, but it was something like twelve or thirteen years ago.  Yet, it was really only a year or so ago that I feel like we hit both of those points.  The first happened largely as a result of new tools.  For me, it involved rubber hitting not only the road, but my ass. I bought a couple of rubber straps that were just excruciating.  They hurt so badly, for the first time I would really, truly dread what was coming if she ordered a spanking.  She ended up deciding to discontinue using them, because they had too much of a tendency to break the skin. Not in a major way, but enough to bring a spanking to an end before I had received the full measure of punishment she wanted to deliver.  But, the dread remains because she really did crank up the level of her paddling in general.  And, I also ordered some custom made paddles that seem a lot more painful than her old one.  

It also seems like her own dedication to Domestic Discipline has increased in the last couple of years, probably because we consciously took things in a more FLR-oriented direction.  I can't say that aspect really took off in a major way, but I think it gave her a taste of real power and control that went beyond merely spanking, and it felt good.

Tell us about your experiences.  Has your DD relationship reached a point where the spankings are something you truly seek to avoid?  And, while we're at it, what about Bart's discussion of mouth soaping?  We have not done that, and I hope she never does.

Have a great week.  Counting down to Christmas!